IJ Reilly
Aug 29, 11:04 AM
Ok, I see your point. But when does the consumer stand up and say "I DON'T WANT WINDOWS ON MY COMPUTER" and force the Dells to load something else besides Windows. If the OS was so undesirable, the consumer would have been up in arms. Dell sells computers with Linux preloaded, but I don't see Linux making any dent in anyones armor.
I'd sooner wait for hell to freeze over.
I'd sooner wait for hell to freeze over.
Huntn
Sep 22, 10:48 AM
I played for about 90 minutes last night. I am impressed with the graphics but focused on the story (solo/coop), seems like more of the same. I mean it's good but as with most sequels and for me especially after the 5th time around, it's feeling a bit repetitive. Maybe as I get farther into it I'll get more excited. :)
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Sol
Nov 7, 02:49 AM
There are many possibilities for the graphics of the Macbook. The GMA950 is at about the end of the road. Maybe we'll see Intel's X3000. If not, one of Nvidia's or ATi's integrated solutions would be nice.
I hope we see the Intel X3000 in the next MacBook. The GMA950 is crippling the MacBook and Mac Mini; it offers mediocre 3D performance, requires a portion of system memory and does not support widescreen resolutions for composite output. The X3000 would not solve the memory issue but it will improve 3D and maybe support widescreen analogue output.
I hope we see the Intel X3000 in the next MacBook. The GMA950 is crippling the MacBook and Mac Mini; it offers mediocre 3D performance, requires a portion of system memory and does not support widescreen resolutions for composite output. The X3000 would not solve the memory issue but it will improve 3D and maybe support widescreen analogue output.
ljonesj
Oct 22, 03:41 PM
Well the cabinet that is under my macbook pro i rebuilt it cause it was the outer case to a old electric heater that looked like a fireplace that went out. i put a shelf in it and a floor then a back stuck my time capsule and my external hd in it so its all nice and neat. what do you guys recommend for cable management as mine is crazy with cables thought about using wire ties and bundling them together
MatthewConnelly
Nov 8, 05:54 AM
UK store is down!
xriderx11
Apr 2, 12:14 AM
WOW!!!! 8 megapixe?!!!!!!! i remember like 5 years ago when i bought a 200$ camera and it was 6 megapixels and it was considered amazing and here is the iphone with a 8!!! ITS CRAZZZYYY:confused:
Full of Win
Mar 19, 12:11 PM
This thing turned Apple around, and turned them into the cash carrying monster they are today.
Actually Time Travel made Apple the success they are today.
Actually Time Travel made Apple the success they are today.
iDutchman
Oct 16, 12:48 PM
Just curious.. why would you put the iMac inside the window and block it entirely? Seems a bit odd
The iMac is so big, I just had to. Otherwise it would come to close to my face due to the fact that my desk isn't that deep. So, it's better ergonomically and the window has never been used as an actual window anyway. The desk is located in a small, triangle shaped space in my room. I got 4 different big windows to get my light from:p It also gives me just more deskspace. It's like having it against the wall, I suppose. :cool:
The iMac is so big, I just had to. Otherwise it would come to close to my face due to the fact that my desk isn't that deep. So, it's better ergonomically and the window has never been used as an actual window anyway. The desk is located in a small, triangle shaped space in my room. I got 4 different big windows to get my light from:p It also gives me just more deskspace. It's like having it against the wall, I suppose. :cool:
Stridder44
Aug 3, 05:01 PM
I also doubt we'll be seeing a phone, but anything's possible with Apple.
Nobody was really expecting this (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=500), remember?
THAT is exactly what Im talking about. All you people bitch and complain about new things/developments that Apple might be working on (and later announce) and at first you all hate it. Then you get used to it, and then one day you find you love it. I hope the iPhone does come out and you all hate it and it becomes a phenomenal success....the same case the iPod once faced. Same with the new names (MacBook). Same with the switch to Intel (now look how lucky we are). Same with the Intel integrated graphi...well...no one likes those actually, but my point is stop thinking you're going to hate it because you're most likely going to end up getting it anyway.
Nobody was really expecting this (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=500), remember?
THAT is exactly what Im talking about. All you people bitch and complain about new things/developments that Apple might be working on (and later announce) and at first you all hate it. Then you get used to it, and then one day you find you love it. I hope the iPhone does come out and you all hate it and it becomes a phenomenal success....the same case the iPod once faced. Same with the new names (MacBook). Same with the switch to Intel (now look how lucky we are). Same with the Intel integrated graphi...well...no one likes those actually, but my point is stop thinking you're going to hate it because you're most likely going to end up getting it anyway.
OatmealRocks
Apr 14, 04:53 PM
I'm not fooling anyone. I live in California. I know what its like to be price gouged for everything cost of living wise. I am very lucky to be able to afford the lifestyle. I would have no problem paying a 10-15% premium for a product made here, that is supported here, and helps develop my community.
10-15% is not going to happen. There would be an uproar. However I am willing to bet the margin will be reduced by at least 15% which would be catastrophic as a profit driven company. Apple is doing what's best for it's share holders (some of which are in your community).
10-15% is not going to happen. There would be an uproar. However I am willing to bet the margin will be reduced by at least 15% which would be catastrophic as a profit driven company. Apple is doing what's best for it's share holders (some of which are in your community).
arkmannj
Mar 11, 10:04 PM
The rumor was false, because Apple will be announcing the product that is replacing the MacBook Pro, the iPad-Pro ;-)
txa1265
Dec 8, 03:22 PM
Even though Clapton, Beck, Townshend, and Entwistle left some pretty big footsteps, every one of them would admit they themselves followed in some pretty big footsteps as well.
And, from a slightly different angle, Les Paul as well as the Beatles/EMI made huge strides in recording techniques that are still the foundations today for what is now commonly done in Pro Tools. Whether or not you like Les Paul or the Beatles, that's still true.
I was commenting specifically on 'studying Paul McCartney' as a bassist as mentioned above, and actually showed my love / respect for the Beatles (http://www.geardiary.com/2010/11/09/music-diary-retrospective-a-magical-mystery-tour-of-the-beatles-catalog/) and their innovations in songwriting, pop music, and studio exploration earlier in the thread by citing a retrospective I had done.
So I guess while I would say that the Yardbirds, Who, etc owe much to the Beatles as groups, Jeff Beck owes nothing to Lennon & Harrison as guitarists, if you know what I mean.
It's an unfortunate fact that their level of musicianship and talent may have no bearing on their success or their the ability to influence modern music. The world is full of technically proficient musicians playing music nobody wants to listen to. Sad, yes, but there it is.
But as you say, all of these people started somewhere ... some listening to Sinatra, others the blues, others to Miles and Bird and Django and Wes and so on ... I mean, Alex Lifeson of Rush owes his musical life to Allan Holdsworth (after he was done being a Jimmy Page clone, that is), so for all of the millions of kids playing Rush riffs over the years, they owe a debt to Holdsworth ...
And, from a slightly different angle, Les Paul as well as the Beatles/EMI made huge strides in recording techniques that are still the foundations today for what is now commonly done in Pro Tools. Whether or not you like Les Paul or the Beatles, that's still true.
I was commenting specifically on 'studying Paul McCartney' as a bassist as mentioned above, and actually showed my love / respect for the Beatles (http://www.geardiary.com/2010/11/09/music-diary-retrospective-a-magical-mystery-tour-of-the-beatles-catalog/) and their innovations in songwriting, pop music, and studio exploration earlier in the thread by citing a retrospective I had done.
So I guess while I would say that the Yardbirds, Who, etc owe much to the Beatles as groups, Jeff Beck owes nothing to Lennon & Harrison as guitarists, if you know what I mean.
It's an unfortunate fact that their level of musicianship and talent may have no bearing on their success or their the ability to influence modern music. The world is full of technically proficient musicians playing music nobody wants to listen to. Sad, yes, but there it is.
But as you say, all of these people started somewhere ... some listening to Sinatra, others the blues, others to Miles and Bird and Django and Wes and so on ... I mean, Alex Lifeson of Rush owes his musical life to Allan Holdsworth (after he was done being a Jimmy Page clone, that is), so for all of the millions of kids playing Rush riffs over the years, they owe a debt to Holdsworth ...
Nipsy
Oct 13, 06:40 PM
Originally posted by e-coli
Nipsy, while I know you are simply trying to defend your viewpoint (as we all should), you have a very simplistic view of a computers role in society. This is a tragic flaw with all Mac users. Running a piece of software in "emulation" is a poor example of compatibility. It's like having to buy an external drive for your portable computer. It's cumbersome, hardly ideal, and defeats the purpose.
Admittedly, running in emulation is slow and cumbersome, but the simple fact is that we can, and PC users can't. Just one of those things to counter the 'Windows can do so much more' argument.
I don't believe that argument, but hey, my Mac can run Windows (acceptably), so it is not a point of contention any more.
For most tasks, we have native software, but for the very rare occasion when something can not be done natively, it can still be done.
The problem with Apple simple. They have no enterprise strategy. They have no muscle to get developers to begin including Macs in custom software solutions, database integration, and web-services compatibility. Apple is totally missing the point, and doesn't understand the place of the computer in business and (this is the sad one) education.
Ummmm....developers? Developers are flocking to OSX, because it gives a good UNIX environment, with a good user experience. I see more geeks at more non-Mac conventions with iBooks and TiBooks every time I go.
Databases...you haven't been paying attention! Sybase, Oracle 9i, MySQL, PostGreSQL, which db were you looking for?
http://developer.apple.com/server/
Web services...my machine is running Tomcat, apache, php/mysql, and Webobjects servers. ASP is available for UNIX, which means an apache module could prolly be compiled for Mac. Which services did you want? .net? passport?
Businesses...businesses are slow to change, but I have seen increased interest in Apple (since OSX) for the first time in a decade.
So, Apple has the Xserve, right? Huge dismal failure for them. They are giving hardware to Universities, but they're not leveraging their weight to get software and datablase companies on board to write enterprise-wide server-based applications. A good example: some universities are in the process of migrating all their research to secure server farms, and interconnecting them nationwide to increase the pool of information available to researchers. This means that different applications, different file types, and different methods of gathering that information (such as a custom-written piece of software that, say, reads indentity cards or thumb-print records) need to become recognizeable, retrieveable, and editable from any location. Or what if libraries wanted to interconnect, trade data, and allow data to be submitted by individual users (such as a publication written by an independent party).
Xserve adoption will be slow, and the product needs to be excellent to gain share. Thankfully, I, and many many reviewers, think it is.
However, your argument about data migration is silly, as data is accessed through a pipe (odbc, jdbc, etc.) and Mac OSX has a nice set of pipes. You can put a GUI on a pipe and call it an app, but all it does it form a query which gets fed to a stored proc and echo the data.
It can be done now via the command line, which means easily via an app. With data, the 'server based app' is a collection of stored procs, and the client (a browser, Sherlock, a custom client, etc.) makes it pretty.
Furthermore, the developers I mention above, are making sure we get many good browsers, and the browser will be the path to data (hell, it already is).
These are great examples of how the world is becoming more interdependent, and the personal computer is becoming merely a gateway to more information, applications and services.
Affirms my point above...
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Nipsy, while I know you are simply trying to defend your viewpoint (as we all should), you have a very simplistic view of a computers role in society. This is a tragic flaw with all Mac users. Running a piece of software in "emulation" is a poor example of compatibility. It's like having to buy an external drive for your portable computer. It's cumbersome, hardly ideal, and defeats the purpose.
Admittedly, running in emulation is slow and cumbersome, but the simple fact is that we can, and PC users can't. Just one of those things to counter the 'Windows can do so much more' argument.
I don't believe that argument, but hey, my Mac can run Windows (acceptably), so it is not a point of contention any more.
For most tasks, we have native software, but for the very rare occasion when something can not be done natively, it can still be done.
The problem with Apple simple. They have no enterprise strategy. They have no muscle to get developers to begin including Macs in custom software solutions, database integration, and web-services compatibility. Apple is totally missing the point, and doesn't understand the place of the computer in business and (this is the sad one) education.
Ummmm....developers? Developers are flocking to OSX, because it gives a good UNIX environment, with a good user experience. I see more geeks at more non-Mac conventions with iBooks and TiBooks every time I go.
Databases...you haven't been paying attention! Sybase, Oracle 9i, MySQL, PostGreSQL, which db were you looking for?
http://developer.apple.com/server/
Web services...my machine is running Tomcat, apache, php/mysql, and Webobjects servers. ASP is available for UNIX, which means an apache module could prolly be compiled for Mac. Which services did you want? .net? passport?
Businesses...businesses are slow to change, but I have seen increased interest in Apple (since OSX) for the first time in a decade.
So, Apple has the Xserve, right? Huge dismal failure for them. They are giving hardware to Universities, but they're not leveraging their weight to get software and datablase companies on board to write enterprise-wide server-based applications. A good example: some universities are in the process of migrating all their research to secure server farms, and interconnecting them nationwide to increase the pool of information available to researchers. This means that different applications, different file types, and different methods of gathering that information (such as a custom-written piece of software that, say, reads indentity cards or thumb-print records) need to become recognizeable, retrieveable, and editable from any location. Or what if libraries wanted to interconnect, trade data, and allow data to be submitted by individual users (such as a publication written by an independent party).
Xserve adoption will be slow, and the product needs to be excellent to gain share. Thankfully, I, and many many reviewers, think it is.
However, your argument about data migration is silly, as data is accessed through a pipe (odbc, jdbc, etc.) and Mac OSX has a nice set of pipes. You can put a GUI on a pipe and call it an app, but all it does it form a query which gets fed to a stored proc and echo the data.
It can be done now via the command line, which means easily via an app. With data, the 'server based app' is a collection of stored procs, and the client (a browser, Sherlock, a custom client, etc.) makes it pretty.
Furthermore, the developers I mention above, are making sure we get many good browsers, and the browser will be the path to data (hell, it already is).
These are great examples of how the world is becoming more interdependent, and the personal computer is becoming merely a gateway to more information, applications and services.
Affirms my point above...
mrilovemacintos
Jun 28, 03:31 PM
Hey guys, I've created a website called pleasesteve .co.uk for everyone to be able to submit their ideas on what the next line up of apple products needs. People with more tech knowledge can also comment and clear up any reasoning for why Apple may not implement some of the suggestions too. Please check it out and tell me how to improve as its gonna grow slowly.
Enjoy!
Enjoy!
Guitar geek
Aug 3, 02:28 PM
Woohoo! WWDC in just a few more days finally. Hmm, wonder why half of the MBP is covered up at the far right. Hopefully something good is behind that.
Sti-R
Oct 10, 07:04 PM
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This is the small headquarters of Japan-Saikou.com :)
This is the small headquarters of Japan-Saikou.com :)
MacBoobsPro
Aug 8, 10:16 AM
He might be a little under the weather, but he'll be fine. If you go back and watch the video from the WWDC '05 he looked totally out of place; dressed in all black and very little energy. It's a fluxional phenomenon with his appearance. WWDC '05 he looked terrible, Apple Special Event #1(Intel iMac & iPod Nano) he looked great, Apple Special Event #2 (iPod Video) he looked great, Macworkd '06 he looked fine, Apple Special Event #3(iPod HiFi announcement) he looked like he had just woke up.
The one thing to remember is that this is a Developer's Conference so there is not going to be a lot of pizazz with flashy announcements. There was not a whole lot of new mind-blowing things announced so he could have been a little bit bored with it.
No matter what, with the transition to Intel chips complete now Apple can start devoting more time to truly new designs and hardware.
This kind of talk happens every keynote. Pardon my ignorance but what is wrong with him exactly? :confused:
The one thing to remember is that this is a Developer's Conference so there is not going to be a lot of pizazz with flashy announcements. There was not a whole lot of new mind-blowing things announced so he could have been a little bit bored with it.
No matter what, with the transition to Intel chips complete now Apple can start devoting more time to truly new designs and hardware.
This kind of talk happens every keynote. Pardon my ignorance but what is wrong with him exactly? :confused:
mscriv
Apr 7, 12:38 PM
Then why bother with the Old Testament? Seems to cause a lot of problems.
It can cause a lot of problems when people misinterpret or don't understand it. And lots of modern believers do avoid reading the old testament, especially books of the law like Leviticus and Deuteronomy (because they can be hard to understand).
For me personally, I enjoy reading the narratives of old testament figures like Abraham, David, Joshua, Moses, Solomon, Isaac, etc. etc. These people were far from perfect and much of what we learn from them is in taking note of the mistakes they made. It gives me comfort knowing that if God can use them then he can possibly use me despite the numerous mistakes I make.
Then there are the accounts of people like Job and Joseph. These stories provide such great encouragment as you see how they navigated and overcame such great hardship. Reading their stories provides hope.
Wisdom and poetry books like Psalms and Proverbs are also encouraging and easy to read with their straight forward style and memorable sayings.
I'd encourage everyone to read the Bible. Even if you don't believe it is divinely inspired you can still learn from the collective wisdom of what it contains. It seems that the atheist book the OP started this thread about would contain a good collection of human wisdom and knowledge. I don't know about it being representative of the beliefs of all atheist, but it most likely contains good information from the experiences of those who have gone before us. I would like to think that non-believers could view the Bible in much the same way regardless of whether they believe in God.
Great question lee, thanks for asking. :)
It can cause a lot of problems when people misinterpret or don't understand it. And lots of modern believers do avoid reading the old testament, especially books of the law like Leviticus and Deuteronomy (because they can be hard to understand).
For me personally, I enjoy reading the narratives of old testament figures like Abraham, David, Joshua, Moses, Solomon, Isaac, etc. etc. These people were far from perfect and much of what we learn from them is in taking note of the mistakes they made. It gives me comfort knowing that if God can use them then he can possibly use me despite the numerous mistakes I make.
Then there are the accounts of people like Job and Joseph. These stories provide such great encouragment as you see how they navigated and overcame such great hardship. Reading their stories provides hope.
Wisdom and poetry books like Psalms and Proverbs are also encouraging and easy to read with their straight forward style and memorable sayings.
I'd encourage everyone to read the Bible. Even if you don't believe it is divinely inspired you can still learn from the collective wisdom of what it contains. It seems that the atheist book the OP started this thread about would contain a good collection of human wisdom and knowledge. I don't know about it being representative of the beliefs of all atheist, but it most likely contains good information from the experiences of those who have gone before us. I would like to think that non-believers could view the Bible in much the same way regardless of whether they believe in God.
Great question lee, thanks for asking. :)
treblah
Aug 4, 11:08 PM
I don't think its finalized, its just that the disk in the image at WWDC 2005 representing Leopard was a place holder since they didn't really come up with a concept for the Disk art yet. Just showing the development pace of the OS which was the main focus of the conference.
Touché ;) Still, I really think it will be released this year so I hope they have all the artwork finished.
Just saw a verizon commercial.. announcing a new phone. It was black, seemed to have an ipod-like click wheel, with a retractable keyboard in a vertical format.. and something about being announced 8.9.06..... do you suppose????
Uncle Walt says it sucks (http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/06215/710850-96.stm).
Touché ;) Still, I really think it will be released this year so I hope they have all the artwork finished.
Just saw a verizon commercial.. announcing a new phone. It was black, seemed to have an ipod-like click wheel, with a retractable keyboard in a vertical format.. and something about being announced 8.9.06..... do you suppose????
Uncle Walt says it sucks (http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/06215/710850-96.stm).
mashinhead
Aug 3, 08:10 PM
Nobody was really expecting this (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=500), remember?
it's really funny to read those posts now. They should be infamous. I wouldn't want to be the one who posted that.
it's really funny to read those posts now. They should be infamous. I wouldn't want to be the one who posted that.
TitoC
Nov 24, 07:48 AM
I really don't get all of those who constantly are saying things like "Don't care for them, they were before my time . . . " or "They're so old, they're not relevant . . .", etc. Really? I just don't get it. Monet, Davinci, Bach, Cole Porter, Sonny Boy Williamson, Bessie Smith, Billie Holiday and Charlie Parker were all before my time, yet I appreciate them. Having an artist being born before your time shouldn't have anything to do with "appreciating" them. That's the whole point - art is timeless. I' guess it has to do with how you grew up and what you were exposed to that makes a difference.
All kinds of music was being played in my house when I grew up. My dad played primarily four kinds of music in our house: classical, tango, opera and jazz and I got exposed to all of them - everyday. But all kinds of music would be played, not just these four kinds. While the Beatles were not one of the groups constantly being played on my dad's Hi-Fi, my parents did appreciate them and would play them on the radio once in a while, just to expose us kids to them. This, I believe, is one reason I listen to ALL kinds of music today. Not only do I listen to the classics, but also to many current and obscure artists of today. And I am doing the same with my son. He is exposed to all facets of music and art and has a great appreciation of all kinds of music. And you know who's his favorite? Louis Prima. My son's 6 years old and he couldn't care one bit when Louis was born. Not one bit. My dad would be proud.
All kinds of music was being played in my house when I grew up. My dad played primarily four kinds of music in our house: classical, tango, opera and jazz and I got exposed to all of them - everyday. But all kinds of music would be played, not just these four kinds. While the Beatles were not one of the groups constantly being played on my dad's Hi-Fi, my parents did appreciate them and would play them on the radio once in a while, just to expose us kids to them. This, I believe, is one reason I listen to ALL kinds of music today. Not only do I listen to the classics, but also to many current and obscure artists of today. And I am doing the same with my son. He is exposed to all facets of music and art and has a great appreciation of all kinds of music. And you know who's his favorite? Louis Prima. My son's 6 years old and he couldn't care one bit when Louis was born. Not one bit. My dad would be proud.
applefan289
Mar 25, 12:13 PM
It is indeed out, downloading now.
iStudentUK
Apr 4, 04:35 PM
Uhm, yeah. Saying "this is not true and that's it" is no different than "this is true and that's it."
That doesn't make it a religion though.
Your best friend may not have been raised by his parents with religion, but the society in which he was raised is influenced by Judeo-Christian values. Even atheists often display Judeo-Christian values because of the effect of society around them.
Don't misunderstand me. I'm not saying we need religion to raise children, but we better have a moral code of some kind to replace it with.
Society isn't based on Judeo-Christian values though. Rather, Judeo-Christian values are based upon society. Religion just fits in with the times. If all religious people read the Bible literally they would stone me on site for being an atheist, they would hate homosexuals. Instead, people pick and choose the parts of the Bible they like based upon their own morality. The Bible has remained the same for 2000 years, yet look at the change in society in just the last 100- women's rights, gay rights, civil rights etc.
You stated earlier that without guidance children would grow up to be selfish and violent. This is quite untrue. As I said earlier some higher primates show morality. Some children would grow up to be violent, but some would not. No amount of religion or lack of religion will change that.
That doesn't make it a religion though.
Your best friend may not have been raised by his parents with religion, but the society in which he was raised is influenced by Judeo-Christian values. Even atheists often display Judeo-Christian values because of the effect of society around them.
Don't misunderstand me. I'm not saying we need religion to raise children, but we better have a moral code of some kind to replace it with.
Society isn't based on Judeo-Christian values though. Rather, Judeo-Christian values are based upon society. Religion just fits in with the times. If all religious people read the Bible literally they would stone me on site for being an atheist, they would hate homosexuals. Instead, people pick and choose the parts of the Bible they like based upon their own morality. The Bible has remained the same for 2000 years, yet look at the change in society in just the last 100- women's rights, gay rights, civil rights etc.
You stated earlier that without guidance children would grow up to be selfish and violent. This is quite untrue. As I said earlier some higher primates show morality. Some children would grow up to be violent, but some would not. No amount of religion or lack of religion will change that.
gkarris
Apr 18, 01:35 PM
Wirelessly posted (Mozilla/5.0 (iPhone; U; CPU iPhone OS 4_3_1 like Mac OS X; en-us) AppleWebKit/533.17.9 (KHTML, like Gecko) Mobile/8G4)
My dad got me an original iPad for my birthday at BB and went to return it last Monday and told them he was gonna get the new one at an Apple Store so they went in the back and said they have a few iPad 2s and got a 32gb AT&T one. Was yesterday supposed to be the first day BB was selling the 2?
When you want to do a return and get new one elsewhere, all of a sudden, they "have them..." :eek:
:rolleyes:
My dad got me an original iPad for my birthday at BB and went to return it last Monday and told them he was gonna get the new one at an Apple Store so they went in the back and said they have a few iPad 2s and got a 32gb AT&T one. Was yesterday supposed to be the first day BB was selling the 2?
When you want to do a return and get new one elsewhere, all of a sudden, they "have them..." :eek:
:rolleyes:
